Our 2004 Ford F250, Power Stroke, Diesel Truck, 4 door Crew Cab, 4 Wheel Drive, manual four wheel drive transfer. Warranty 36,000 miles/3 years. Nice salesman, Texas dealer. We like Fords. We drive Ford pick ups (gas & diesel), diesel Excursion, and Ford E350 15 passenger van. Check your Ford at Ford Motor Company RECALLS. Buy a Ford extended warranty. You may need it. Think you have a LEMON? Obtain info & complaint form at Texas Lemon Law . It is VERY hard to use the Lemon Law. You must have DOCUMENTATION to PROVE it.


Our NEW 2004 Ford diesel pickup,
dead and with only 1,542 miles on it.


We went shopping for a new Ford diesel pickup on
Saturday, December 6, 2003. This would be our third
diesel and second 4 wheel drive. Our old 1993 truck had 175,000 miles of good service. We sold it.
It's still going. We like Fords. (We DID like Ford diesels, but NO MORE.)
Our brand NEW 2004 Ford diesel.

We told the sales person that we were in a time crunch and had to have the truck by 6 AM Tuesday, December 9. We found the truck we wanted, but it had an electronic four wheel drive transfer.

We talked price. Window sticker said $42,000 plus. Were there rebates? How about a business discount? We gave him our business information. They offered a bonus of a $750.00 Gift Certificate. Sounds like a good deal.

We did not like the electronic transfer. We wanted the manual transfer. The nice salesman offered to find a truck just like this one but with the manual transfer. He said it could possibly cost $200 or $300 more depending on features. Normally the manual transfer cost less. Charge for the electronic transfer was $185 on the window sticker.

He called and said they found one and it was silver grey. Did we want it? We said yes. He said, they would have it about noon Monday. Then Monday, they called and said they were having trouble on the road and it would be about 2 or 3 PM before the truck would be ready. They finally got the truck after dark, did not have time to put on the running boards. It was after closing and most everyone was gone. We climbed up into the truck, drove it out, and it seemed to be okay.

We went in to sign papers. We were charged $400 more for this truck. They said it had better CD player and special heavy duty tires. Did we want GAP insurance? We said no, since we were financing only $15,000.00. (This GAP insurance is something new to us.) We asked what about the business discount. Office lady said the supervisor was gone. She would ask him Tuesday about the business discount. She said to sign the papers and they would mail them to us. We signed the papers. We took the truck.

While getting the truck ready to leave the next morning, we noticed there was no sliding rear window. What else was missing? Where is the cute barbed wire decal? I called the Ford dealership and asked to speak to the salesman, he was busy with a customer. I asked that they send me copy of the window sticker from the Sand Beige truck that was on their lot and a copy for the truck that we purchased. The original window sticker was not on the truck we purchased. They faxed me copies on a Arizona Beige truck and our Silver one. (The copies came right off the internet, not the original stickers or a dealer invoice.) On the fax was a hand written note. "Your new truck was $140 more and $260 added for delivery and fuel". Well, that accounts for the $400 difference.

Sand Beige truck? They said they did not have a Sand Beige color. I have bifocals. I must have read the sticker wrong. That happens when you get old, but I also saw the sliding window and the barb wire decal. All illusion?

Excuse me. What is the delivery and fuel charge?
What about the business discount?

We get the papers in the mail and we were charged for the GAP insurance. "There is a form to sign and it will be taken off the amount we financed."

Everyone who has ever bought a car knows that when you sign the papers and drive off... you keep that car. Okay, we don't like it, but we know that.

Monday, December 22, 2003 I call the dealer for an appointment to get the running boards and truck detailed. "Okay, appointment for 10 Am Friday, December 26."

Christmas eve, Wednesday, 7 PM and raining, near Tarpley, Texas, 60 miles from home, going along fine, then the truck stalls, dead. It will not start. We called our AARP Motor Plan for a wrecker to get it home. It was full of Christmas gifts. We did not try to call for Ford Warranty help. Christmas Day the Ford place was closed. We called the Ford dealer on Friday, December 26, 2003. They sent a wrecker to get it about 11 AM.

They called 10 AM Saturday and said it had a short. A wire came loose and touched the valve cover causing the stall, both batteries tested DEAD also ABS light was on. "There will be no charge for repair." I asked about the running boards and the lady said "What running boards?" I reminded her of our Friday appointment and she did not have any record of the appointment. So she calls for the salesperson and I guess he is busy because he does not come to the phone. She finally comes back to say the truck will all be ready when we get there.

We had it 16 days. We put 1248 miles on it.

We drove the 40 miles to get our new truck and bring it back home. They were very nice and gave us a hand written, detailed note explaining what all they fixed on the truck.... at no charge.

They also explained that when they look up a truck on their computer for you and go to another dealer to get it, there IS A CHARGE for the service: $1.00 per mile plus fuel. I assumed this to be a courtesy to sell their products. Not so. Our charge was $260.00 plus tax. Since we had not been told of the transport charge, the manager was nice enough to write us a check for the amount.

I hope this is the end of the story and we all live HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

*When buying an auto: always take notes, write VIN numbers, write details, what salesperson said, start price, trade in price, discount price, be sure to take your time, read the fine print (most loan contracts have arbitration clause: you can not sue them), get the salesperson to sign your notes, don't be afraid to walk away. They may have a better deal next week or maybe try another dealer with the best deal that you got from this guy. Be sure you have EVERYTHING in writing, model numbers, tires, CD player, etc. All of the deal. Ask for a copy the factory sheet on the window. If they are honest, they will give it to you.

10 PM, Sunday, April 18th, 2004. We were at a friends home. The friend said "what is all that oil on your rear bumper?". We check the oil and it is 1 GALLON low. Truck has 8,100 miles.
Monday, April 19th, we take the truck to the Ford dealer and leave it. The young salesperson that sold us the truck, walks by and says "Good morning. How are you?." My husband says "Not very well right now". The young man walks on. Guess he is busy.

They say it had a high pressure hose leak and they have to order a part. They said "Just a minor thing".

We drive the 20 miles to the dealer and get the truck 2 days later. We ask to see the part they had to order, looks like an O ring about 4 inch diameter and about as big as a match. They give us a invoice, there was no charge for repair. That is nice.

Sunday, April 25, 2004. Truck has 8,384 miles. Power Steering went out. NOW WHAT? Can this get worse?

OK. So, back to the dealer, another 20 miles.... "Power steering pump was at fault, replaced with new pump assembly. No charge.

Found oil seepage in front oil seal, replace with new seal. No charge." They delivered the truck to our home. That is nice.

Truck appears to be running fine.

I am wondering... when they first went to get this truck... what caused the delay in delivery?

Updated 4-29-04: We still have not received the $750.00 Gift Certificate. Yes, they sent us notice that we were credited for the GAP insurance.

Update 5-15-04: Truck seems ok. Still no $750.00 Gift Certificate. Ford Company says they can do nothing. We must deal with the people in charge of the Gift Certificates. They keep telling us "The letter is in the mail".

6-20-04: We received the Gift Certificate and got the gift.

Have you noticed the warranty for Ford trucks is only 36,000 miles? Hummmm.....

Are we having lemonade?

4-15-05 We now have 26,000 miles and have not had any more trouble, but we noticed the tires are looking worn. We went to replace a tire and were told they were them cheapest that Ford uses.

Ding.... Guess they got us again. When we purchased the new Ford 250, we were charged extra for better tires.

6-10-05 Strange sound in the left front wheel and it shakes. To the shop we go. Mileage 35,520. They say a bearing in the hub is out. $500 for a part that they have to order. "It is still in warranty." Invoice said "Verified concern, rumble grinding noise coming from left front wheel assembly. Inspect found left front hub bearing is going out. Bearings coming apart. Replace hub assembly and reassemble. Road test OK. Warranty. No charge."
Fixed OK, it seems, but now the same noise is on the other side.

Well.......... as fast as I could I bought a Ford ESP Premium warranty covering 100,000 miles/5 years. Think I am gonna' need it???

8-10-05: We received a recall notice, something about "wiring harness". It needed servicing, so we took it to a dealer. Mileage is 41,896. Might as well have it serviced too. Invoice: Lube, oil & filter, 32 point check (Invoice comment: "Transfer Case Leak Gasket") $64.98; Replace air filter $102.49: Replace fuel filter (diesel)("water in fuel" circled on invoice) $112.62. Total $300.89. Nothing covered by our extended warranty. They said they did not have parts or time on a Friday to fix recall so bring it in next week. The next Monday we took it in about 11 AM. They got us a rent car because they said the truck would not be ready til next afternoon. "Oh by the way, we found another recall". Something about "exhaust pressure". We got the truck back, but engine still runs rough.

9-12-05: We received a notice of another recall. Something about "Emissions". OK now. Lets don't hold our breath and turn blue.

10-6-05: 43,803 miles. In the shop again. Invoice: "Customer concern engine surg/miss on acceleration. Concern verified. Hook up WDS/run EEC V. Replace EGR Valve &/or gasket." They did 5 more tests & tested OK. Engine warranty 100,000 miles, so no charge.

1-20-06: 50,204 miles. Radiator low on water. Checked all hose and found lower radiator hose had rubbed on something and is leaking. We are not near a Ford dealer so we go to auto parts place and buy hose for $65 and fix it our selves. Not sure if it was warranty covered. Just forget it.

2-23-06: 52,478 miles. 10 pm, raining, on Texas country road, lights begin to dim, then motor dies. Sounds like the alternator went bad, so we are stranded again.

OK, so we call AARP Road and Tow. This is something we purchased after having trouble with the 2001 Ford diesel. AARP Road and Tow sends a wrecker and tows us home. Next morning about 9, we call our original Ford dealer and they come get the truck again. I call at 3 pm and they say they can not find trouble. 5 pm they call us to say, "it is the alternator and it drained the 2 batteries so they will have to be replaced also. Not sure extended warranty will cover batteries."

Next day, we travel 40 miles to get the truck. They were nice and just charged us the $100 deductible.

Does the extended warranty cover all the aggravation and strain on the brain caused by all this trouble? Not too good for old folks with pacemakers to be sitting in the dark on a country road. Thank goodness for cell phones even if they only work half the time in certain parts of Texas.

Hang around for the rest of the story. I don't think we are through.

Sunday 5-21-06: Transmission went out, mileage 58,736, 400 miles from home. Called AARP Motor Plan for a wrecker. It arrives in 2 hours and hauls the truck 150 miles to our work place.

Monday 5-22-06: We have to get a rent car then we call a Ford Dealer to come get the truck. They show up on Tuesday and haul it 12 miles to a dealer. On Friday the Ford man says "something is chewed up in the transmission and they have to wait for a company rep before they can fix something that bad". We have an extended warranty. Do they really think they will not have to fix it? We finally get the truck back on 6-2-06. They hand us a bill for $125.00. The deductible is only $100. What is the other $25? They say it is for towing 12 miles. Excuse me? It is UNDER WARRANTY! Towing and car rent is covered. We had the rent car for 12 days and Ford only covers 10 days so we have to pay the difference. I call the dealer and explain that it was their fault that we had the rent car so long. The manager said "Nope. It does not matter, 10 days at $28 per day and no mileage, is maximum. I had 5 other transmissions to repair, you had to wait. You can take your complaint up with Ford Motor Company."

We did not take it up with Ford. We went straight to the nearest DODGE dealer. We bought a bright red Mega Cab, 4x4, diesel and we have had no trouble. The extended warranty on a Ford is twice the warranty for a Dodge. We received a refund from Ford that paid for the Dodge warranty. All right!

You remember me mentioning having trouble with a 2001 Ford diesel? That was a classy Platinum model. It had some small problems then transmission went out after 50,000 miles and had to be replaced so we traded it in on the 2004.

All this page is true. I have all the documents to prove it. I have a bad memory so I keep a journal. All this is written and dated if there is a question.

April 14, 2007 Update: The Dodge is running great. No complaints.

September 14, 2009 Update: 72,000 miles on the Dodge, just put new tires on and nothing more than regular maintenance. Can't beat that!

March 10, 2010: That red Dodge is running great!! 92,000 miles!!

December, 2010: Red Dodge has problems at 110,000 miles and warranty is out. We took it to two different Dodge dealers. Each one put it on their computer and got different readouts. We went online to several forums: http://www.dodgeforum.com/ ; http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ .
We found a repair manual specifc for that VIN in pdf form, downloaded it and it was so detailed, we fixed the truck with parts we found online.

August, 2012: Truck running fine. We pulled out 2 autos and a RV stuck in mud near Tayor Resevoir in Colorado. The lakes were low and folks tried to drive to the water. Yes, we caught NICE trout.


I am now a firm believer in extended warranties on these new complicated autos. Be very careful of scammers selling cheap extended warranties. Buy from a certified dealer.

FYI: Before buying a used auto, ask the seller to run the VIN to see what has been repaired on it. If the work was done buy a dealer, it will show up. (It will NOT show shade tree mechanics repairs.) It will also show any recalls and if they were fixed. Do online search for the words: ford diesel complaint. Lots of folks having trouble.
Good LINKS: Get value of autos, RVs and more NADA Guide and Edmunds .... See consumer help with Auto Extended Warranties at Federal Trade Commission . Click here for 1996 Ford Windstar troubles. Search for Auto Recalls.

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